Some music not playing
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Topic: Some music not playing
Posted By: garrisonl
Subject: Some music not playing
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 7:48am
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Hi Everybody:
Not sure yet where to post what on this forum. Got used to the folks on D-Light. so I will start here.
I have been moving my spectrum files to Aurora. For some reason some of the music is not playing. Only a select few pieces of music. They play fine on the computer and in spectrum, but when I do the playback in aurora, there is lights but no sound.
Anyone have any ideas as to what I need to do? Other than trying to learn the software and starting over. My Halloween show is finished and only a few songs left for christmas.
------------- Mark & Lisa Garrison |
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Posted By: ChrisL1976
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 8:01am
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are they all Wav or mp3?
------------- Chris www.lightsonsixth.com |
Posted By: garrisonl
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 8:07am
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A little of both. Star Wars is wav and rock a around the christmas tree is mp3 ------------- Mark & Lisa Garrison |
Posted By: tonyjmartin
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 9:33am
Is there a correlation between the two, or is this happening with some wav and some mp3 based sequences? Either way, it could be the sample/bit rates in the audio files. Open their file properties and see if these are consistent or all over the place. There have been past issues with some bit rates in both D-Light and LOR, so Aurora may not be immune. As a rule, I always convert everything to wav format for my own piece of mind. ------------- Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 9:48am
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Just a little bit of trivia...
Aurora converts everything to WAV (16-bit 44.1kHz stereo) internally anyway to get around the various VBR timing issues, so there is not any real benefit to using MP3 files. There have been some cases in which the converter we are using isn't properly doing the conversion (we are looking into it). For example, one user discovered that Aurora can not read 24 bit files. These unusual formats tend to be the exception rather than the rule. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/"> 
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Posted By: tonyjmartin
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 10:17am
Brings up an question... Is the original audio file still necessary after Aurora has converted the file and placed it in the Cache folder (and given it that really "code-like" name)? I suppose the same question could apply to the cached video file as well. I'm just trying to get a grasp on how Aurora operates. i.e.: I notice that when I base a sequence on a video file, Aurora creates a uncompressed RGB/PCM cached video file (read VERY large) as well as a wav file of the audio. Do I have this correct? Can I convert the audio and/or video files myself and place them in the Cache folder, or should I just let Aurora "do it's thing".
So converting all audio files to standard wav format would be the most dependable approach then? ------------- Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 10:26am
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If you edit the audio file Aurora will detect this as a change to the file and will want to re-import it. You shouldn't manipulate the cache folder manually as it could cause some interesting problems. The only exception is if you have a corrupted file in the cache... you can delete it and Aurora will rebuild it on the next file/open that requires it.
Yes, the raw video format is very large... unfortunately this was necessary for some futrure features we have planned for down the road (such as showing scene change markers on the sequencer timeline). Fortunately hard drives are very cheap these days compared to most of the hardware that goes into a display. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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Posted By: Slinkard
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 10:32am
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Also you may want to try to change play back configurations. That solved one issue I was having.
goto settings > playback > and then change the bottom option to directshow instead of the MSDXM option.
Hope that helps.
Slink ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/"> 
Coming soon www.computerizedlights.com |
Posted By: tonyjmartin
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 10:47am
That's a good tip to know. Thanks!
Sorry for Stealing the thread... I'm planning on using video extensively. Is there a way to have the Cache folder reside on another drive, rather than the system drive? I can see things getting full pretty fast at about 1GB per minute of video.  ------------- Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
Posted By: garrisonl
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 11:03am
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Thanks guys. It seems I have already given up. At least for today. Don't understand some of the computer lingo you guys are speaking of. Now if you want to talk about debits and credits I can hang with the best of you. Some of the music in the aurora is doing strange things. Like the lights start before the music or the music just doesn't work. I will keep tinkering with with it until it makes me mad. Which today it has. so I will go do a tax return and start from scratch on the music. The only other question I have, is there a way to change the format on a completed Spectrum sequence without having to redo the whole song? I'm finding most of the problems are the mp3's and that's mostly what I have.
Thanks for all the help,
Lisa ------------- Mark & Lisa Garrison |
Posted By: Slinkard
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 11:11am
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Also you may want to try to change play back configurations. That solved one issue I was having.
goto settings > playback > and then change the bottom option to directshow instead of the MSDXM option.
Hope that helps.
Slink ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
Coming soon www.computerizedlights.com |
Posted By: garrisonl
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 11:20am
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Thanks Slink,
I already followed your advise. Still didn't work. I guess if I'm going to use the software I will need to change all of them to wav files. At this point, I'm almost finished, so I may have to stick with spectrum this year. That way I will have all year next year to figure it out. I only have 16 channels. Mark and I are very pleased with ourselves with what we have accomplished so far. He places the order, builds the box, then I get the rest. Of course until it's time for him to get on the roof anyway. I thought about adding more channels next year, but not sure if I will figure out the software enough to do that. Won't give up that easy though. Thanks again. ------------- Mark & Lisa Garrison |
Posted By: Slinkard
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 11:21am
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Also you may want to try to change play back configurations. That solved one issue I was having.
goto settings > playback > and then change the bottom option to directshow instead of the MSDXM option.
Hope that helps.
Slink ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
Coming soon www.computerizedlights.com |
Posted By: tonyjmartin
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 11:31am
Short answer...yes. If you have the ability to change your MP3 files into wav files, do so. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, we can talk you through it, or you can send me the MP3 files, and I can convert them into friendlier MP3 files or wav files. At any rate, you shouldn't have to redo your sequences. Whether you substitute a better audio file in Spectrum or do it after you move over to Aurora, everything should work out. Go crunch some numbers (I was a business major before I caught the "Theater Bug"), and come back when you feel better. We'll be here. ------------- Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 11:51am
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Some MP3 files end up with a leading edge of silence that various programs interpret differently. I know the "inserted delay" was less with Spectrum than with Aurora, so this is probably what you are seeing.
If so, just go to "Timing Shift" in the "Edit" menu. That option will allow you to shift the entire sequence left by a specified number of mS (1/1000 of a second).
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Posted By: garrisonl
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 11:54am
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I can change the files. Once I do that, can I just change the song in the spectrum completed files and all my lights stay the same?
As always you guys are great. Does anybody know what happed to peaceangel1 (Mike) He has been helping me as well. I haven't had any response from him. Don't even know if he knows that the software has changed.
As far as the number crunching, it would be extension time for those that didn't there taxes when they were supposed to. Can't decide what makes me madder, music software or tax softwore. I'll let you guys pick.
I will keep working on the music
Thanks again everyone  ------------- Mark & Lisa Garrison |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 12:00pm
Oh.... he's here! 
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Posted By: tonyjmartin
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 12:42pm
Another good tip to know. 
With the caveat that you should save this new stuff under a different name, like v1, v2, etc. Just edit your audio file and save it under a different name so as not to lose the old version. Then open up your sequence and use the sequence configuration area to assign the new audio file (be sure to not add new intervals while in the configuration area--been there, done that.) Then save this new sequence with a new name. You may still need to do what Mike mentions above if/when you move over to Aurora. ------------- Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
Posted By: garrisonl
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 12:42pm
And where would he be? Is that you with a different name? don't know everyone yet.------------- Mark & Lisa Garrison |
Posted By: Slinkard
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 1:24pm
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sorry again for the multiple multiple posts.
slink ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
Coming soon www.computerizedlights.com |
Posted By: garrisonl
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 1:49pm
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Hey Guys:
It worked. My music is playing now. Guess I didn't get much paperwork done. to busy worried about I Am Santa Claus.
Thanks again everyone. I'm sure I'll be back again. ------------- Mark & Lisa Garrison |
Posted By: garrisonl
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 2:11pm
Cool! Cool! Cool!. they all work. Even Star Wars  ------------- Mark & Lisa Garrison |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 2:15pm
No i'm not him.... I confused him with flanigan. I'm not sure if peaceangel is here either. Flanigan (from d-light) is LightChristmas (here). It is hard to keep up with multiple forums!
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Posted By: garrisonl
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 2:26pm
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I understand. Me too. Lot's of folks going through this transition. I'm sure he will show up soon. All it does for me is to have two forums to pesture everyone. but so far i have always gotten all the answers I need. One of these I'm going to be the lightshow Queen. Yeah right, with 16 channels and 20 tax returns to do. Some of you guys have way more knowledge than my old brain needs. I just read over and over and over everything you type. sometime that doesn't even work, so I have to ask. ------------- Mark & Lisa Garrison |
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2008 at 11:27pm
That's why I'm glad Darryl made the unofficial Aurora forum for simple stuff. I didn't figure out LightsChristmas was Flanigan until I read the Introduction thread. I do see a lot of familiar avatars and a lot of familiar grammar mistakes... just kidding! ------------- ~Jonathan |
Posted By: LightChristmas
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2008 at 5:51am
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Did the LC thing mainly for security during the early betas of Aurora, didn't want my mild-mannered alter-ego accosted with awkward questions. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/"> 
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Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2008 at 1:27pm
I can understand the reasoning behind that. Still, the military guard detail was a bit unnecessary, considering you always went out wearing a misleading shirt that said, "I'm NOT a beta tester for Aurora, that's LightChristmas you're thinking about!" and your sig line over at D-Light said, "Please don't ask me any questions about Aurora beta testing!"  You know, I should've put two and two together, considering that in D-Light's beta testing of the wiLink system you did say that it worked perfectly with Aurora. ------------- ~Jonathan |