Network fre.........ezing
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Topic: Network fre.........ezing
Posted By: Comporder1
Subject: Network fre.........ezing
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 10:09pm
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This is a new issue I started seeing this year. I wasn't sure where to post this. I started over at d-light. This post is basically a repost from over there. Darryl thinks I should try over here.
The show is running great, then all of a sudden, the lights freeze....... The music continues. After anywhere from 2-5 seconds the lights will actually continue where they left off, but drastically increase speed (like fast forward) thru the sequence to catch up with the music. Strange   At first, I assumed a PC/Aurora issue and would reboot the computer. It would seem to make things better (can't be for sure, because I don't sit and watch the lights all night!), but it comes back eventually. Then I started noticing it freezing more on one particular song that has lots of events toward the end of the song, particularly a part that has about ten channels using the "waveform to event" tool for about 30 seconds. So I am thinking maybe network saturation. I don't have a second USB adaptor to try separating the controllers. I wouldn't think 10 ACx16's could saturate a network. Anyone ever see this? Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 8:45am
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This came up in another thread....
The sequence I am seeing it on was created in v69 and the computer the show runs on is running v41. Could this create an issue? Obviously I had to open the sequence on the show computer to associate the audio files and resave. It did that without error.
Thoughts? ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 10:30am
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The issue, and its possible causes, is being looked into. Do you happen to know what version of .net framework you are using on your show computer? FTDI driver? Also, you do not HAVE to resave a sequence with the show computer in order for it to work. If the sequence and audio are stored in the generic \Sequences and \Audio directories, you can just place the files there and create the show. Borealis will automatically extract the files it needs. ------------- ~Jonathan |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 10:47am
aye, I don't use the default directories  I've got this thing about following the crowd!  Nah. I use several computers to edit with... 3 at home, 2 at work, etc. just wherever I am and whichever is not being used by my wife and kids! I keep everything in a separate folder and keep them synced with a flash drive.
I just remoted in the house and looked at the requested info. The FTDI driver is the latest 2.6.0.0. I just updated it before the season started. I have the following .net frameworks installed per "add/remove programs":
Other system info:
The system runs great. It never gets really sluggish. I couldn't imagine the scheduler maxing it out. The show ran great last year on an old Dell inspiron 1000 laptop. I may pull it out and try it tonight and see how that goes. ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 10:55am
This brings up another issue (more like feature request).... I keep the folder structures in-tacked accross all of the machines, yet Aurora does not recognize it. When I open the file after syncing the folder with my flash drive, Aurora wants to re-associate the music and picture files. Funny thing is that when the browse window opens the file is RIGHT THERE! Can't Aurora just attempt to find it!!   ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Pony_God
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 11:12am
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I do the same thing, but you just don't need to open the sequence at all.
I use a c:\aurora_shared directory that stores all audio, sequences, and background images.
I never even open the sequence on the show server. See my request here.
http://www.aurorashow.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=925 - http://www.aurorashow.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=925 ------------- Fine. You're so smart you rig up the lights. http://www.frappr.com/dlight - D-Light users Unite! 
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 12:08pm
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But...... My show machine is x64 and Aurora installs in "program files (x86)" directory which breaks the paths. ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 12:11pm
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I guess I could sync my folder to the root directory. ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Pony_God
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 1:08pm
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That's what I do. Everyone is happy that way.
It only takes a min to update the sequences too. ------------- Fine. You're so smart you rig up the lights. http://www.frappr.com/dlight - D-Light users Unite!
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Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 1:37pm
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Try this for lagging networks (requires 1.0.69 to be installed to function properly) : http://www.aurorashow.com/downloads/aurora_1_0_76_exe_files.zip Place the files into your Aurora directory and uset the _76 executable to launch Aurora instead of the default files. Do not attempt this with any version other than 69 installed. This is still in beta testing, but given the circumstances (a BIG show stopping issue), I'm also pushing the beta files directly to the public as they develop. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/"> 
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 1:41pm
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Got it. I'll update to .69 this afternoon and give the .76 exe a try tonight. Thanks for the assistance. I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow.
Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 3:16pm
One small thing I notice right off is that file->exit crashes Aurora  The red X (top right) will close it gracefully.------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 3:27pm
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If you select exit, it acts like it wants to close, but just sits there. If you select exit or X again, you get Run-time error '340': Control array element '12'doesn't exist. ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 6:53pm
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Ok.... findings as of 6:20pm.
The scheduler you posted reports as v70 not 76 like the sequencer. I assume that doesn't mean anything.
While I was updating and working with the network I updated firmware on everything. This may be the problem I am seeing with missed and sticky channels. see- http://www.aurorashow.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=930&PID=7563#7563 - http://www.aurorashow.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=930&PID=7563#7563
I posted a clip on youtube with a paticularly bad and visible section on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WZ2WFbimN4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WZ2WFbimN4
Here is a screen shot of Aurora: http://www.williamsonworkshop.com/AuroraScreen.jpg - www.williamsonworkshop.com/AuroraScreen.jpg
Here is the dls file: http://www.williamsonworkshop.com/wizards09.dls - www.williamsonworkshop.com/wizards09.dls Is uses the standard albumn version of Wizards.
I have 8 arches numbered from left to right, 1 thru 8. In the video, you can see 1-8 "leap" on in that order (left to right) and stay on. Then they are supposed to "leap" OFF in this order: 1,8,2,7,3,6,4,5. You can see arch #7 blacks out completly then #5 blacks out.... out of sequence, and not leaping, just black out.
Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 6:56pm
Oh!!!! the good news!!
NO LAGGING! YEAH!!
EDIT: SEE BELOW  ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: deweycooter
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 8:55pm
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I didn't see any lagging - but there were missed events. Things are wet here, so that may be partially to blame.
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 9:13pm
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Ok........ I'll learn to keep my mouth (fingers) shut
It has begun to lag now but only in one spot of the show (only three songs right now) that I have seen. It is at the end of the wizards sequence that I posted above. I watched that particular several times at the beginning of the night and it worked great.
Next... We decided to go grab some food and just as we were getting in the car, the lights went dead. Ran inside and found the dreaded "???(can't remember) has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience." Restart the scheduler and left for the resturant in the blizzard. (I had to throw that in there. I live in south Mississippi and the snow tonight is very rare!) When we got back, there was a nice layer of snow on the ground so I decided to try to get some video. I grabbed my little pocket cam and went out front. I was able to get one whole song and the battery died! Ha, just my luck. I decided to wait for Wizards to see how it was looking and sure enough, LAG at the end.
Even with the issues.... The snow makes it look BEAUTIFUL!!
 We may have 1 inch on the ground now.EDIT: I wonder if the crash is when the lagging started
 Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 9:18pm
Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 9:59pm
Here is a lag video for you. Also a nice view of the snow fall in south Mississippi! This video is taken from the front porch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu5z9tlqM2o - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu5z9tlqM2o
This is the last few seconds of Wizards posted above. ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Pony_God
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 10:06pm
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Weird! ------------- Fine. You're so smart you rig up the lights. http://www.frappr.com/dlight - D-Light users Unite!
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 10:15pm
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Posted By: Pony_God
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 4:56pm
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That laggyness. PLay-Plaaaay-Play-PPPPPlay. ------------- Fine. You're so smart you rig up the lights. http://www.frappr.com/dlight - D-Light users Unite!
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 9:36pm
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No ideas Michael? I haven't had a chance to try another computer yet, but I will tomorrow. ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 9:10pm
Brunnesa is THE MAN.  He posted a possible cause of several issues seen this year. See - http://d-light.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1713&p=12791#p12774 - http://d-light.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1713&p=12791#p12774
My show has been running LAG FREE for 1 hour now!!
Thanks Brunnesa!
Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 9:59pm
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I'm glad to hear that someone is getting a handle on what is going on. So, your testing indicates that the device and VCP drivers are going out of sync due to a Windows update? We've been working on a D2XX based playback engine here which does not use the VCP driver at all. My own show is running on this beta engine tonight and it is a huge improvement over the old VCP based engine. There are still a few bugs with Firefly and WiLink, but we should have a version out of beta within the next couple days. The history on this update is long (it was originally written for 2.0, then was worked into 1.2, and now has been stripped of some features and wrapped into 1.0). Bonuses: better COM threading (heartbeat controlled by another thread so events at time zero will work properly), multiple Aurora instances can talk to the port at the same time. Stay tuned. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 10:20pm
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No windows update.... I manually updated the USB serial port driver but forgot to update/forgot there was another part to the install. So the "USB serial port" was at 2.6, but the "USB serial converter" was left at 2.2.4. They must not like each other.
That is interesting info on the D2xx comm engine. Look forward to giving it a try.
Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 1:42pm
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XP instructions:
1. Get the drivers from here:
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/CDM/CDM%202.06.00%20WHQL%20Certified.zip - http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/CDM/CDM%202.06.00%20WHQL%20Certified.zip
2. Click on Start
3. Right click on "My computer", choose "Properties"
4. Click the "Hardware" tab
5. Click "Device Manager"
6. Expand the section "Universal Serial Bus Controllers" by clicking its "+"
7. Find the device "USB Serial Converter".
8. Right click it and select "Update Driver"
9. Choose "No, Not This Time" and click "Next"
10. Choose "Install From A Specific Location" and click "Next"
11. Have "Include This Location In The Search" Selected and click "Browse"
12. Browse to and select the location where you downloaded the driver from FTDI
13. Click Next and proceed to install the driver
14. Repeat the above but this time expand"Ports (COM & LPT)" and update the driver for the corresponding "USB Serial Port (COM xx)"
A real pain, but it does fix the COM issues.
The upcoming D2XX Aurora looks good and does fix most of the COM issues as well, but even the D2XX version performs best on the latest driver, so an upgrade is recommended.
Maybe someone could rewrite these instructions for Vista/Seven? ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 2:30pm
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Uummm.... Did I give the impression that I didn't know how to update drivers??? or, are you posting for others sake? I have mine updated. That's why it is working properly for me now. No lagging.
Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 6:19pm
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Posted for others' sake. Updating drivers is not an obvious process... given the discussion at D-Light (successes) and my own success in internal testing, I thought directions for this fix needed publishing. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2009 at 9:27pm
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's back.
 see - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dSsLuEqWFk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dSsLuEqWFk I did not run the show last night because most of my extension cords were under water. But tonight, I came home and the lag was back. Just as bad, or worse than before.
I don't understand. I checked the drivers (just in case my wife was trying to play a cruel trick on me!). The only thing I can think that I did when it started working right was to restart the computer/scheduler after the driver updated.
So just now, I checked scheduler MEM usage. It was at 58MB. So I stopped the show, closed scheduler, unpluged-replugged usb adapter, started scheduler, and started the show..... LAG FREE. Scheduler MEM usage when I started the show was at 38MB. For one loop thru the show, MEM usage never went over 40MB. I have no idea if this tells us anything, but I don't know what else to look for.
FWIW, I manually start scheduler/transmitter/controllers every night and turn everything off after every show at night. So its not like it has been running for days. And I am still using the 76.exe version
Any ideas Michael?
Carey
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 7:46pm
Ok.... I got my Dell laptop updated and working with Aurora and have started tonight's show with it. It started out fine (no lag), but in the first hour it had crashed twice, and now it has begun to lag. Ssssooooo...... Using the process of elimination, the only two things that were common from last night and tonight is the sequences/audio files, and all the hardware besides the computer. I guess I will start replacing the easy stuff first - cables. It would be nice if someone else could give my problem sequence a try, just to be sure it is not the sequence. Any takers? The problem will be that it works fine for a while (two hours tonight).
 Carey------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: brunnesa
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 6:52am
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 7:10am
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The links are at the beginning of this thread. If you need the audio file, let me know. Thanks! ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: brunnesa
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 4:31pm
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Carey, I ran the sequence for about 5 hours with no problems at all. I do not think the problem is the sequence. By the way, your sequencing is great. When testing I only used one controller. I noticed that you have a lot of fast events. I wonder if you might be saturating your network with that may channels and that quick of events? Can you break up yor network into two different ones and see if that helps? |
Posted By: deweycooter
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 5:19pm
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To the best of my knowledge, the adapters are only communicating one direction during playback. So even if you only have one controller hooked up, it's still broadcasting all the channel data for every controller. ------------- http://www.deweycooter.com/wiki/index.php/Aurora - Aurora Lights Wiki http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 9:55pm
This would mean that if was the sequence brunessa should have seen issues with only one controller hooked up. Michael and I have been communicating as well about the issue. We feel that it has something to do with drivers, but it has lagged for me with two computers now. What are the odds that TWO configurations fail for me while all of you are not having problems.
Oh the joys of Christmas light animation!
 Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2009 at 6:59pm
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Network saturation isn't an easy calculation. The protocol has built in ways to combine events on multiple channels into a single command if the conditions are correct. It's really quite efficient. A future version will do such notifications. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2009 at 7:00pm
This is correct. Aurora sends all of the data down the line regardless of what controllers are actually present. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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Posted By: Pony_God
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2009 at 10:23pm
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Do you happen to have the same AntiVirus, OS, or other software installed on both computers? Are they both the same model of computer? Are you using the front or rear USB port? You aren't using a hub, right?
Wil Aurora wirk in Windows safe mode? If it does, do you get lag? ------------- Fine. You're so smart you rig up the lights. http://www.frappr.com/dlight - D-Light users Unite!
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2009 at 11:08pm
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The machines are very different, with the main difference being 64bit vs 32bit OS. One is a dell inspiron 1000 celeron laptop. The desktop is an AMD 64 x2. I was having issues on my laptop with scheduler crashing. The error referenced pointed toward a VB file. Michael had me reset the VB files and scheduler no longer crashes and for the past two nights, I have not seen a lag! I also ran WU and it updated .net v1 to sp1, so I'm not real sure what fixed it.... OR IF it is even fixed. Now I am tracing down a controller that has lost it's ID 2 nights in a row! Carey ------------- http://www.williamsonworkshop.com - www.williamsonworkshop.com |
Posted By: Pony_God
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2009 at 11:34am
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Here's a few things that I saw on our controllers that lost thier IDs.
http://www.d-light.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1692&start=0#p12908 - http://www.d-light.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1692&start=0#p12908
A few things to check would be:
1. data near AC
2. bad data cable
Interesting a network terminator clearly showed me that the two controllers that lost IDs did actualy NOT have lock. ------------- Fine. You're so smart you rig up the lights. http://www.frappr.com/dlight - D-Light users Unite!
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Posted By: MrChristmas2000
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2009 at 12:21pm
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I have data cables running through the same pipe as 6 15A AC cords without any problems. My d-light data cables also run parallel with the power around the front of the house. If running data cables with power I should have trouble all over the place but everything is running superbly. I think that sometimes d-light controllers get their firmware badly loaded and can cause you nightmares. Reloading the firmware sometimes correct that problems. Running 11 d-light controllers with mostly loaded with 1.17 without any problems. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/"> 
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Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2009 at 5:14pm
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While MrChristmas2000 has had reasonable success running his UTP cable near AC lines, I do not recommend this for any distance. Here's why:
While the twists in the UTP (Cat5) cable are designed to prevent crosstalk among the pairs, they are not adequate for preventing AC current from being induced on the cable.
Note:
True extension cords are less of a problem than SPT wire. This is because the wires inside the extension cord usually have some twist to them helping cancel some of their field. Still, I wouldn't recommend it for any significant distance, especially with dimming/ramping in use (lots of harmonic noise on the line).
I'd recommend a separation of at least 2' from AC cords and perpinduclar crossings. We've all done much worse (myself included) and gotten away with it, but that doesn't make it proper.
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Posted By: Pony_God
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2009 at 5:37pm
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I'll note that for 2009 all data lines were bundled with the AC input to the controllers, since all the wires could stay togeather that way.
When buring in the new controllers this year, I has 20' or so of data coiled up on the 5' of inputs and 8 or so outputs and there was very clearly data corruption. As soon as I moved the data cable everythig worked perfectly.
Now, that's also clearly an extreme case though that is not likely to happen in use.
We take as many precausions (within reason) to reduce as many variables so that hopefully we will have as few errors/issues as possible. ------------- Fine. You're so smart you rig up the lights. http://www.frappr.com/dlight - D-Light users Unite!
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Posted By: Comporder1
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2009 at 8:49pm
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I am thinking I have it fixed. It has run for 5 hours now, where for the last two nights it has lost it's ID within 1 hour. I am almost sure that it was noise that termination has resolved. I have pics! I will update this post once I get them posted.
Carey
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Posted By: deweycooter
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2009 at 8:32am
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Hmm... this has got me thinking. I cross 6 driveways (all 2 lanes wide) with cat5 running right next to SPT, I think my drive has 6 or 8 cords going across with 2 network cables. I've been looking for a better solution to running across drives anyway - my current solution is to anchor a pair of 1x2 boards side-by-side on the drive with an inch or two gap between them, then simply lay the SPT/cat5 bundle in between. Yes, bundled. Not saying that there's no effect, but I probably have somewhere between 700 and 1000 ft of cat5 in one of my networks and I'm not seeing anything really bad. Next year - yes, I'm separating data from power. I'm considering laying some conduit across the drives and running the cat5 through it?? ------------- http://www.deweycooter.com/wiki/index.php/Aurora - Aurora Lights Wiki http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2009 at 9:21am
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The "choke point" in my display is on hooks across the garage ceiling, down the garage wall, and under the porch step. Network cables share this path with the power distro trunk cords (155A at full strike, and yes, I dim down from full strike). Total distance: ~40 feet shared path. Do I recommend it: No Have I had problems: Not yet. It might help that I'm running 240V cords to the yard so the two polarities may be cancelling in the cord when the load is balanced. I wire the controllers with red on one bank and black on the other bank. It gets me 40A capability on a single modified 12 gauge extension cord. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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Posted By: Pony_God
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2009 at 10:13am
Gota love pushing 220 out! Saves on so many extra cables. ------------- Fine. You're so smart you rig up the lights. http://www.frappr.com/dlight - D-Light users Unite!
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Posted By: LightsOnLogan
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2009 at 11:46am
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So I'm not the only one? Certainly a big savings! I'm strange though... I use (or is it misuse) Neutrik Speakon connectors (the touring grade waterproof ones in the metal shell with a 240V 50A rating) for daisy-chaining power to the controllers. I found them cheaper than the locking connectors made for the purpose, smaller, and with better current rating. A plus is that anybody snooping in the yard would have no clue what they were looking at. ------------- http://www.aurorashow.com/">
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